Quote from Scawen :

Is that really true? If that is true, then clearly LFS must be very far behind all the other sims by now. But I don't feel it is.

Hi Scawen,
while I agree with the most of things and with the thing that having bigger team sometimes might bring more issue then results there are some areas where LFS stand behind. For example the graphic engine.While you have made wonderfull work and it seems you juiced ther DX8 engine to the max probably there can be done much more in this area and some Sims/semi-sims are before LFS.The sound engine.There are missing a lot of sounds coming usually from racing cars and other sims have that too.

I think having dedicated person - some help from your friend(s) just for 3D engine would let you focus on the important things like physic engine and other things.You must know as well that graphic sell things a lot and good 3D engine can add to the realisim of the simulator a lot.

Anyway...I will end it.You made so far amazing work

Quote from 510N3D :

good point =)

At this point i also wonder if S3 (whenever it will be released) will be another game just like S1 compared to S2 I mean at least for me it was like *omg is this still LFS?* Anyway, thanks for everything and keep up the good work ScaViEr

Scawen mentioned already doing some testbed regarding the graphic.Probably DX9.

I think it will be another big step.

Maybe ZT should build another strong team for next year.Tripple wouldnt be bad guys....

It was great event and congrats to all guys who raced n the servers.thanks for live broadcats.Had to train my german again a bit

Great and congrats...finally
Please,Let us know if the cable worked so we can "close" it as solved.

Quote from Hotdogxx60 :

Devil, thanks very much for all your help, the DVI cable might be the problem. I have the DVI-D Single Link I might see if I can get a Dual Link if not I'll use an adapter and use VGA.

I would not buy the DVD-D dual link cable 1st.I proposed it as solution but I am not certain about that(you almost never can be with PC stuff).

I would try to use the VGA cable with adaptor first as I guess you have that cable and adaptor already.No need the adaptor in case you graphic cvard have already one analog output.If you have just DVI output on the card then the adapter is needed.

The power saving mechanism for notebooks are included in BIOS usually for many notebooks so this is something to check as well.It might cause the performance drop.

Also notebook have usually integrated graphic cards which take GPU memoru from the main system memory.IF you have like 512MB ram this might be the issue as well.Something takes windows XP(depened on your configuration and programs running),something take the GPU from the main memory and there can then not too much left for the games running.Be aware of that!!!

IF you have XP and GPU take memory from the main memory then 1GB is minimal.
For Vista I would consider 2GB is minimal as Vista takes after start usually 500-700MB of memory!!!

Quote from Cue-Ball :

Ticket filed with ATI.

thank you!
As Sniiki said please respond to their answer.This will forward then the issue to the Calayst driver team.

Cobra,
the new driver is not yet because they spend most of the time to get finally some decent driver for HD 2900XT.Thats it.

even it has been reported already we need more reports made to ATI.The more they will see it the higher chance it will get upper on their list of things to fix.

Please report as well.

Quote from Nathan_French_14 :

Whoa, nice list there. Thanks alot for all that. She's planning on buying the parts in september/october time because she is going to buy a new car instead. So if you dont mind devil, i may ask for your help again in the future

Thanks for that, and thanks for taking the time to find parts for her. Me AND my sis really apprecitate it

Frenchy

No problem,
when the right time will come, dig this thread again and send me PM too as my old brain will definately forget.I am always here glad to help to people who deserver it.

With some small modification another 50 and maybe even 100GBP could be saved easily and still having nice system.

Hopefully Harjun will not hijack this one again

Cheers

Hi Cue-Ball,

try much older then 7.4.Maybe from 6 series of drivers?

Also please report you problem to ATI as Sniiki did.As I said the more guys will report the bigger chance it will get solved by them.

Quote from Nathan_French_14 :

Were interested in this one too, it sounds like a fast machine.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayI ... ;refwidgettype=osi_widget

for 495 its overpriced.

Hi Nathan,

I have a lot of things to say!

Dont buy Pentium D processors even they are dual cores.They are the 3rd slowest dual-core processors on market after the Intel C2D and AMD Athlon 64 X2.Yould would threw the money for the Pentium D out of the window.

1GB of memory is not enough for smooth Vista running.You need at least 2GB if you want gaming on Vista.Also gaming on Vista makes 10-50 percent FPS drop in some games.Yes,its really sad.

Upgrading the exisitng system would not help a lot as LFS is very CPU intensive game so new graphic card would not boost FPS but only add possiblity to you AA+AF.Also you would need to upgrade the PSU probably as well.

That Packard system above.No way as its so overpriced.I always prefer custom built PC as you get much more for the money you spend.If you cant built it your self as I see its your case there is alway someone who can do it for you and it will be still pretty cheap way.

My suggestion is following for 700 GBP:

Motherboard:Asus P5N-Sli nForce 650
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/ ... duct.php?prodid=MB-221-AS

CPU:E6420
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/ ... duct.php?prodid=CP-146-IN

Case:Thermaltake Mambo
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/ ... duct.php?prodid=CA-026-TT

Power supply:Seasonic S12 Energy+ 550W Silent
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/ ... duct.php?prodid=CA-003-SS

Memory:Team Elite 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2 PC2-6400C5 800MHz Dual Channel
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/ ... duct.php?prodid=MY-004-TG

Graphic card:HIS ATI Radeon X1950 Pro ICEQ 3 V2 TURBO SILENT Heatpipe 256MB GDDR3 TV-Out/Dual DVI - this one is so silent
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/ ... duct.php?prodid=GX-065-HT

HDD:Western Digital Caviar SE16 250GB 2500KS SATA-II 16MB Cache
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/ ... duct.php?prodid=HD-046-WD

DVD writer:LG multi writer/reader
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/ ... duct.php?prodid=CD-053-LG

Thats total 559.15 including shipping cost.

I dont know if that company will built also the system from the components(I heard the Overclockers have very good reputation in UK) if you wish so but I guess somebody would do that for 80GBP.I dont know how it works in UK and what is the usual price for building the PC from components in your country.If 80GBP is not enought then we can change the spec a bit lower but its still several times better machine then the Packard one.Vista home cost around 65GBP in UK if I am not mistaken.

Jakg,
what you think....?

Last edited by DEVIL 007, Mon 28 May 2007, 22:04.

so its time to report that to ATI

The road looks a bit better but you have done better job on other track.I like the Blackwood one more.

The white strip on curbs has still some places which are way to bright.The other strip bars looks somehow too colorfull.I would try to desaturate the texture a bit.I think it might help.Dunno as I dont have that texture file.
I would try imitating the old curbs but with the ripple idea and being hires.

Several things to mentioned when you gaming on notebook.

1) If you run on batteries the notebooks clocks down CPU and GPU so the batteris are not drained a lot.
2) Shutdown every powersaving futures.The one who has P4 ,disable the HT in BIOS as well.
3) I have checked how LFS use procesor and sometimes it goes realy to low ususage so it might happend that CPU clockdown a bit and it might cause FPS issue drop.

P.S:Harjun...you becoming a troll on this forum.Please stop hijacking the threads.
If you have a problem create your own thread but please stop disturbing other people.I am always here to help but its becoming very annyoing from your side.You should get warning from moderator.Try to think a bit about what you doing.

Glad it worked.
I am very pissed by NVIDIA for ignoring their customers.The last official 93.71 driver for windows XP is several month old and it has a lot of bugs.The one with New cntrol panel loading several minutes is there as well.I feel like that left XP users in dust.

ATI has new driver every month.Come on NVIDIA.

Thats the track texture I created and gave it to Electrik Kar to use for his track texture replacement.I made it from scratch in PSP.

I think he dont use it anymore and made his own.

What driver version?You forgot to mention that.
Sorry for the missing link.I edited my previous post with it.

Last edited by DEVIL 007, Sun 27 May 2007, 21:35.

Quote from Mato :

It also ran pretty good on my comp. Didn't notice any stuttering at 1650*1050 and ultra settings.

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I am curious what system spec you have.I see you have max setting and AA+AF.
At me it draw like 20 FPS often and I even cant use any AA.I also run at only 1024*768 res.I have A64 3200+,2x512MB ram and 7900GT running at 7950 frequencies.

What driver version you use and what OS system you running on?

I know that some latest version of NVIDIA drivers are buggy with control panel opening like 1-2 minute.I definately know that 93.71 version does it with some system config.If you switch it to the older looks its fine.

With the program from the below link you can access ALL the setting in the NVIDIA drivers.Also the hidden one including overclocking(do only at your own risk).

link:http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?page=rivatuner&menu=8

Last edited by DEVIL 007, Sun 27 May 2007, 21:29.

Could you report again please.I know it sounds stupid as you did already but we need to hammering them so they start dping something about it..Its the driver issue.Maybe some sort of disfunction AA+DX8.Dunno.ATI would need to test it.

In most part of the world is used KMPH so I dont see a problem with that.
Its same like english got after the second world war the most used language and I dont see a problem with that as well.

I understand the confusion with KMPH thougt.Would feel the same when I would be driving in country using MPH.

Hi Batterypark,

i think it might be simmilar issue like the other guys having on ATI cards.
It seems the AA doesnt work properly with LFS.I think some of the code in drivers is broken.

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=434697#post434697

Please report at ATI(AMD) pages like Sniiki did.The more guys will raise a ticket about LFS and AA issue the more attention it will get.

In the second lind some guy having problem running LFS at 32bit mode at native resolution of his LCD.There might be combination of both in LFS. 32bit rendering issue and AA.

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=24852

Sorry to hear you having problems.

Quote from Sniiki :

Yea sure I responded, no such a quick reply back like the 1st one yet so maybe they atleast noticed it's not another newbie issue.

any news from ATI on this issue?

Quote from Don :

That or as i suggested here - i wouldnt mind dropping that idea completely and write the key shortcuts to proper place, where it imho belongs.

I like how it looks.